Even worse..... The other changes he suggested would diminish webbing effects on the ship. Even then.... How would one stop one of these ships from getting away?

Would someone PLEASE explain where this change has something comon with balancing ?
Just give the Marauder Class Battleships more Sensorstreingh and the PvP-Balancing is absolutly done.
just saying.

Greetings

Raze

Came looking for marauders, found seebees, left disappointed.

CCP should add +2 warpstrength to all marauders, they are suppose to be annoying and harassing

+5 warpstrength while in bastion mode

Just for laughs

The last thing EVE balance needs is another "fast skirmish" situation, since this role is decidedly cramped thanks to a plethora of ships that excel at it.

The tractor bonus is useful for solo PVE pilots who have paid for a ship that maximises PVE income, including salvage.

It is very useful for these guys, who are the target consumers of this ship.

Alright, ran some more tests on our internal servers with suggested changes.

Feedback suggested I ran Buzzkill or Worlds Collide without the web bonus on the Kronos to see how well the ship fared. Challenge accepted. Needless to say it was a slaughter. For the NPCs that is .............

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Hope this wall of text helps a bit (PvE side, as I said, we aren't talking about PvP in this post).


Also, here is a preview of the transformation mode on the Kronos.

Mmm... They are already slow enough, why even slower?
But in general sounds good, although I'd like drone bays like 60 m3 instead (5 hobgoblins 5 salvagers 2 armor bots, or 6-5-1 respectively - need some spare drones anyway)

Yes, this can be used in high-sec of course. You just get a weapon timer (requires security to be turned off though).

Do not underestimate the use of the bastion module, even for missions. The innate tank allows removal of tanking modules on fittings and the projection bonus helps a lot as well. I remember reaching 55-60km falloff on a Null Neutron Blaster Kronos on our internal test server

Only one bastion module may be fitted, but the resistance given don't stack, just like Damage Control. You can still fit one -with- a damage control though.

Marauder for pvp lol

The tank on all marauders is bad ....we don't need a new mode ..just increase the tank ...I fly a golem and I know you have to find the line between tank and dps .

But should I have to find the line ..Its a t2 bs for god sake make the awesome ....not a transformer .

So for those of us who aren't planning on using bastion mode:

Will non-bastion mode be balanced on its own right against the other ships? Or will non-bastion mode be purposely unbalanced (nerfed) because of the possibility of fitting bastion ?

They did buff the tank...

So the marauder can now be deemed worthless to pvp?

minus drone bay
minus webs
minus sensor strength
minus HP
minus ability to move with its bonus(What fool fights a fight sitting at zero speed?)

In the future I picture a brand new category being brought to the market labeled PVE SHIPS. Marauders will be the first type in there and their name will have no relation to their actual purpose.

Then do so, marauders were never PvP ships from the start, it was possible to PvP in them by some interesting fits, but there core was always a PvE ship.

Please link where that said they were going to make marauders PvP ships.

We also believe that designing them for a very specific activity doesn't fit the emergent nature of EVE, and as such we wish to expand their use to PvP as well. Of course, their high price, low mobility will always ensure their role remains a niche one, but we at least can make that purpose more appealing than a simple "jam me now and forever" target dummy.

Dont need more sensor strength
Dont need webs
Dont need more drones
Its the massive tank and better damage projection that makes the ship interesting.

This is not a false statement. The problem though, is how the bastion module forces the Marauder into staying in one location for a set period of time. If things go south, they're suddenly at a massive disadvantage and can't do much about it until the module finishes cycling. This IMO is what clashes the most with the whole 'skirmish' idea to me.

Its just like any other ship in that reguard. The difference is that it has some tools to get out of these sticky situations that most others dont have. People need to be more creative with these things.

It was a nice surprise to find out that you can activate your micro jump drive while in bastion mode, if you time it correctly you will micro jump as you are leaving bastion mode.

Or so CCP Ytterbium has implied.

Time for another update.

We discussed the Marauder situation further and came with the following changes:

• Shield, armor and hull 30% resistance boosts have been removed on the Bastion Module - instead, all Marauders will now get proper tech2 resists. This will allow Marauders to have better RR use outside Bastion and reduce overall tanking effectiveness inside the mode.


• We have removed all tanking bonuses on the Marauders hulls (Armor Repairer amount on the Paladin and Kronos, Shield Boost amount on the Golem and Vargur). Instead, we are giving them 7.5% bonus to the velocity factor of stasis webifiers per level. This will not only help reducing their tanking effectiveness, be more in theme with the ship role itself and help anyone using them with short range weapons. We are not giving them a full 10% per level back as this would be extremely powerful in conjunction with the other bonuses / Bastion. We are going to leave the full 10% web strength amount on the Serpentis ships for now and see how things evolve with time.


• Also, we are removing the mass penalty on the Bastion mode. Tests have shown you can't really turn when it's active anyway, and we don't want to have players abuse that to collapse wormholes.

I will change the OP to match the changes.

I would say Long-Range fits with the option to effectively brawl, and suddenly, it all makes sense, doesn't it?

My favored maraduer stats is, their ridiculous low sensor strenghts.
11 for Vargur ? :P Megalol Nice PVP stat for dumbs.

"We also believe that designing them for a very specific activity doesn't fit the emergent nature of EVE, and as such we wish to expand their use to PvP as well." ROTFL

But now the new idiotism of CCP, create bastion modules for them aka. Siege mode:

" When in bastion mode, Marauder speed is set to 0 m/s, mass is increased by a factor of 10, cannot warp. Also receives a weapons timer that prevents station docking or gate jumping. Weapon time should not require the user to drop weapon safeties in high-sec"

This is the new ISK sinking idea ? Easy targets for SBs and fast billions sinking to refuse bin?
Bravo, the CCP can suprise me with their new and new dumb ideas.